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Here is a summary I prepared of Stephan Kinsella’s April 27, 2014 non-debate with Jan Helfeld on minarchism vs. anarchy.

I have preserved the foul language that Kinsella used, to get a full picture of his anger issues and irrationality about a topic that demands rationality.

10m – Ad hominem by Kinsella, refers to “God damn Randian state”
14m – Helfeld Disputes that state is a criminal organization
– Mentions necessity of gang warfare under anarchism – Kinsella gets annoyed
15m – Kinsella’s rude, saying “you’re reading something?”
17m – Domestic and foreign criminals checked by power of state
– Kinsella interrupts again, Jan gets mad, Kinsella says “Jesus Christ”
18m – Gang warfare in every city
19m – Town receiving an extortion letter
21m – Disagreements over punishments
– Kinsella interrupts again, saying his time should be up
23m – Helfeld says he doesn’t want to follow rules, like most anarchists
– Feuds and vendettas
– What happens if you can’t trust contracts will be enforced?
24m – Kinsella interrupts again
26m – Gets annoyed again when asks Helfeld two questions, does the state commit aggression, and is it justified?
27m – Kinsella said “Fuck the format”
– No aggression when people agree to have a govt to protect their rights
29m – Helfeld said everyone is born into a system, with govt or not – says implied contract
30m – Helfeld claims he’s not a statist, Kinsella says he is
33m – Slavery in constitution
34m – Kinsella says “fuck the judge” to Helfeld saying don’t tell the judge he’s against govt
35m – U.S. showed benefit of limited govt
36m – Kinsella says this is ridiculous, re: each asking 12 questions of each other
37m – Says as an anarchist, that’s “bullshit”
38m – Kinsella says it’s irrelevant what Jan thinks now, saying “be a big boy”
– Says he can’t be civilized with this guy
– Saying interrupting is less than taxing — saying Jan is a statist
39m – Jan called Molyneux mollynukes
40m – Kinsella arrogant in responding to no, that it’s not ok to initiate force
41m – Asked is it ok to take water from someone by force — Kinsella asked, “what’s the relevance of the question?”
– Said it’s a “bullshit question”
42m – Kinsella says he doesn’t know what to do
43m – Jan says that he doesn’t realize that under duress, he can violate rights
44m – Ad hominem calling Jan “a washed up lawyer”
– Called him a loser, saying he doesn’t even pronounce ad hominem properly
45m – Called him a “craven coward defender of the state,” saying he’s raising certain issues in order to justify the state
47m – Helfeld said Larken Rose said, in a debate, that he would die in that situation [drowning and if someone in a boat next to him wouldn’t let him on]
– Said he might have been one of the few who would, whereas most who say they would do so, wouldn’t
48m – Kinsella said “Fuck no,” re: Jan’s behaviour
49m – Says “it’s disagreeable to tax by you motherfuckers,” to Jan
– Said “you are nothing”, being a statist
50m – Kinsella said to the moderator before that he had previously been a minarchist and a Randian
51m – Kinsella said to Jan, “you better think it through, motherfucker”
52m – Jan laughing
53m – Jan says there are two cases — if dispute resolution groups have nukes, or not, asking what would you do if Putin has nukes
57m – Jan says he would violate rights to save his life if he had to hang onto a boat
1h5m – Kinsella says non-aggression principle should be a model for laws in a society
– Says he doesn’t know if he would steal to survive
1h7m – Kinsella said statist libertarians are old wave, and he can’t wait for them to die out
1h8m – Kinsella called the Founding Fathers racist, bigoted slave owners
1h15m – Funny echo on Jan’s side
1h16m – Kinsella says he’s not opposed to govt, he’s opposed to the state
1h19m – Will criminal gangs attack others they perceive as weaker
1h21m – Kinsella says he no longer has any interest in talking
1h23m – Kinsella said “you’re idiots”
1h24m – Helfeld said this system is better than gang warfare
1h26m – Helfeld says he doesn’t support taxation for redistribution of wealth, and Kinsella says “they take my taxes every April 16th, motherfucker”
1h27m – Kinsella said he’s probably paid more in taxes in one year than Helfeld has in his entire life
1h28m – Kinsella calls Jan a fake, fraud and liar
1h30m – Kinsella said Jan is welcome to his opinion and “to shut the fuck up for a second”
1h31m – Called Jan his enemy
1h33m – Called Jan a “washed up loser”
– Said “Fuck off, bye”

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