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Here is a summary I prepared of Stephan Kinsella’s April 27, 2014 non-debate with Jan Helfeld on minarchism vs. anarchy.

I have preserved the foul language that Kinsella used, to get a full picture of his anger issues and irrationality about a topic that demands rationality.

10m – Ad hominem by Kinsella, refers to “God damn Randian state”
14m – Helfeld Disputes that state is a criminal organization
– Mentions necessity of gang warfare under anarchism – Kinsella gets annoyed
15m – Kinsella’s rude, saying “you’re reading something?”
17m – Domestic and foreign criminals checked by power of state
– Kinsella interrupts again, Jan gets mad, Kinsella says “Jesus Christ”
18m – Gang warfare in every city
19m – Town receiving an extortion letter
21m – Disagreements over punishments
– Kinsella interrupts again, saying his time should be up
23m – Helfeld says he doesn’t want to follow rules, like most anarchists
– Feuds and vendettas
– What happens if you can’t trust contracts will be enforced?
24m – Kinsella interrupts again
26m – Gets annoyed again when asks Helfeld two questions, does the state commit aggression, and is it justified?
27m – Kinsella said “Fuck the format”
– No aggression when people agree to have a govt to protect their rights
29m – Helfeld said everyone is born into a system, with govt or not – says implied contract
30m – Helfeld claims he’s not a statist, Kinsella says he is
33m – Slavery in constitution
34m – Kinsella says “fuck the judge” to Helfeld saying don’t tell the judge he’s against govt
35m – U.S. showed benefit of limited govt
36m – Kinsella says this is ridiculous, re: each asking 12 questions of each other
37m – Says as an anarchist, that’s “bullshit”
38m – Kinsella says it’s irrelevant what Jan thinks now, saying “be a big boy”
– Says he can’t be civilized with this guy
– Saying interrupting is less than taxing — saying Jan is a statist
39m – Jan called Molyneux mollynukes
40m – Kinsella arrogant in responding to no, that it’s not ok to initiate force
41m – Asked is it ok to take water from someone by force — Kinsella asked, “what’s the relevance of the question?”
– Said it’s a “bullshit question”
42m – Kinsella says he doesn’t know what to do
43m – Jan says that he doesn’t realize that under duress, he can violate rights
44m – Ad hominem calling Jan “a washed up lawyer”
– Called him a loser, saying he doesn’t even pronounce ad hominem properly
45m – Called him a “craven coward defender of the state,” saying he’s raising certain issues in order to justify the state
47m – Helfeld said Larken Rose said, in a debate, that he would die in that situation [drowning and if someone in a boat next to him wouldn’t let him on]
– Said he might have been one of the few who would, whereas most who say they would do so, wouldn’t
48m – Kinsella said “Fuck no,” re: Jan’s behaviour
49m – Says “it’s disagreeable to tax by you motherfuckers,” to Jan
– Said “you are nothing”, being a statist
50m – Kinsella said to the moderator before that he had previously been a minarchist and a Randian
51m – Kinsella said to Jan, “you better think it through, motherfucker”
52m – Jan laughing
53m – Jan says there are two cases — if dispute resolution groups have nukes, or not, asking what would you do if Putin has nukes
57m – Jan says he would violate rights to save his life if he had to hang onto a boat
1h5m – Kinsella says non-aggression principle should be a model for laws in a society
– Says he doesn’t know if he would steal to survive
1h7m – Kinsella said statist libertarians are old wave, and he can’t wait for them to die out
1h8m – Kinsella called the Founding Fathers racist, bigoted slave owners
1h15m – Funny echo on Jan’s side
1h16m – Kinsella says he’s not opposed to govt, he’s opposed to the state
1h19m – Will criminal gangs attack others they perceive as weaker
1h21m – Kinsella says he no longer has any interest in talking
1h23m – Kinsella said “you’re idiots”
1h24m – Helfeld said this system is better than gang warfare
1h26m – Helfeld says he doesn’t support taxation for redistribution of wealth, and Kinsella says “they take my taxes every April 16th, motherfucker”
1h27m – Kinsella said he’s probably paid more in taxes in one year than Helfeld has in his entire life
1h28m – Kinsella calls Jan a fake, fraud and liar
1h30m – Kinsella said Jan is welcome to his opinion and “to shut the fuck up for a second”
1h31m – Called Jan his enemy
1h33m – Called Jan a “washed up loser”
– Said “Fuck off, bye”

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I saw that Tom Woods plans to have former Reagan administration official David Stockman on his January 2, 2014 podcast — the same man who agreed with Bill Maher that “the Second Amendment is bullsh*t”.

He said he wouldn’t have “money cranks” on his show, in reference to “Greenbackers”, yet he has no problem promoting a debate between Austrian economist Bob Murphy and Keynesian economist Paul Krugman, and now having Second Amendment enemy David Stockman on his show.

Here was my comment:

Dr. Woods, you said you wouldn’t have “monetary cranks” on your show, but why are you planning to have a “constitutional crank” and “statist crank” like Stockman who agreed with Bill Maher on his April 12th Real Time show that “the Second Amendment is bullsh*t”, and said, “why would you believe that an 18th century citizen militia, equipped with the equivalent of muskets, has anything to do with liberty?” and “the only way we protect liberty is with the ballot box”?

For more on Tom Woods, see my article, Tom Woods had no time for a Bitcoin conference, yet had time to misrepresent government-issued currencies., and When will Austrian school supporter Tom Woods debate voluntary, interest-free currency reformer Anthony Migchels?

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Anthony MigchelsI conducted a special interview with Anthony Migchels of Real Currencies on economics in National Socialist Germany, based on his popular September 16 article, Hitler’s Finances and the Myth of Nazi anti-Usury Activism, on October 20, 2013. Here is the audio.

We discussed:

  • mortgages only up to a maximum of 25% usury-free on the principal
  • the myth of Hitler’s anti-usury efforts
  • German consumers still heavily indebted with usury
  • internal constraints on Hitler, Hitler was anti-usury in his rhetoric before coming to power, different afterwards
  • Hitler as a statist on steroids
  • the official Nazi monetary policy was to serve the state and not the people
  • Confederate Greybacks issued to pay for war that overwhelmingly benefited the <10% minority of slaveholders
  • importance of decentralization of the money supply, no need for any usury (simple or compound interest) on money
  • beware of centralizing or half-measure monetary “reforms”

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Anti-state? Oh, really?!

In my January 20, 2011 article, LewRockwell.com now pro-state? Oh Lew, say it’s not true!, I wrote about two pro-state articles published at LRC in one week alone.

The latest pro-state article to come from LRC is the January 10, 2013 article, Let’s Give Up on the (Unwritten) Constitution, where author Brion McClanahan wrote:

What the American political system needs is a good dose of federalism and decentralization and a return to the Constitution as ratified through the Tenth Amendment.

This from the site that claims it is “anti-state.” Indeed — much like how Fox News is “fair and balanced.”

The Ludwig von Mises Institute, which Lew Rockwell founded and heads, also hates government so much, they’re a government-sanctioned and regulated tax-exempt organization, and owned $4 million in U.S. Treasury Bonds in 2007 — yet none of these inconsistencies seem to matter to Mises devotees, as indicated by the replies to this post on mises.org.

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